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Post by antoniadodge on Sept 6, 2007 21:33:43 GMT -9
...was rejected. Apparently it's too close to another cache, the fear being saturation. I knew it was going to be close, but I didn't realize it was quite that close. I've sent a pleading e-mail to the admin that rejected it, trying to work some hoodoo with charm, but I haven't received a response. I have a bad feeling it's not going to go through. The rub is (see, there's a rub): the cache placement defines the cache entirely, and there is no alternative. I selected it for it's perfectness and shopped for a container accordingly. I can't seem to be okay with letting it go. It's... it's in my blood now. So... I'm thinking of just leaving the thing as an unposted cache (because I'm a maverick, and I'm not going to let The Man get me down), and posting the coords here. I mean, there's no point in keeping a cache up if nobody's going to find it. But I can't take it down. Taking it down would make me cry. Like this.
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Post by ladybugkids on Sept 7, 2007 4:57:43 GMT -9
Sorry to hear about your disappointment. Yes, there is an "antisaturation" guideline of 528' between physical caches. The referenced guideline does say, "This is an arbitrary distance and is just a guideline," (and Pirate fans know how pirates feel about guidelines )so your plea to the reviewer just might be successful. One can check it out before going through reviewer rejection at least a couple of different ways. 1. Load all the caches in the area into one's GPS, stand at the desired ground zero, punch "go to nearest" or equivalent, and verify the nearest cache is at least 0.10 miles (528') away. The exception to this is the false coordinate for a puzzle cache or one of the intermediate states for a multicache (a la the proximity of "Supersized" and the first stage of two of Slatrat's Coastal Trail Memorial series caches). 2. Record one's desired ground zero, create a new cache page and just enter the coordinates, leave the "this cache is active" check box blank so the reviewers won't see the page post, view the page and click on "all nearby caches" link. Looking at the map created on the cache page is also a great way to verify coordinates, especially if one zooms in and checks the google map satellite image. Even if either of the above two checks work, one can still get tripped up when the cache page is submitted for review because the final stage of a multicache or puzzle could still be lurking out there. If you really want the cache to live on, you can post it on one of the "alternative" caching sites like TerraCaching.
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Post by oleruns on Sept 7, 2007 5:42:44 GMT -9
Or, make it a multi. visit the first site and container some place else.
c.) or is it d.)? anyway, maybe the owner of the other cache is sick of his or her cache and will archive it.
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Post by ladybugkids on Sept 7, 2007 7:12:04 GMT -9
Or, make it a multi. visit the first site and container some place else. Now that I'm more awake (sort of) with one meeting behind me...like Ole suggests, your extra special cache location specific cache could probably pass muster as the first stage of a multi with the final stage safely far enough from other preexisting caches.
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Post by antoniadodge on Sept 7, 2007 7:20:03 GMT -9
::smacks forehead:: A multi is a fantastic idea! Thanks for the suggestions and info.
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Post by FrostG1anT on Sept 7, 2007 15:27:54 GMT -9
From the lips of Erik...(as I have been dinged more than I care to count and actually have so much of a rapport with him, that I invited him to Indian Summer as the guest of Honor...but his new "Real Life" job did not allow for him to travel at this time)
The .10 mile rule is arbitrary, but will be adhered to 99.99% of the time, as in the lower 48 there is a bison or nano every .1 miles (or so it seems in some places). This means if you do a multi talk really nice to him so he will approve it, because if there is a physical container that has to be maintained as a stage of the multi then it will fall under the cache saturation rule...if the way point of the multi is virtual then you can have as many and as close as you you care to put into the mix.
The special location could still be pulled off by the verbiage in the note to the reviewer and in the cache page by using phrases such as "at this location you will find the answers you need to get to the next way-point" or "This location contains the secrets to the next part of the puzzle".
I don't think the cache interfering with the placement is mine, but if it is let me know and I would be happy to open up the spot for a new cache. After all it's not about the numbers, but the new hides .
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Post by antoniadodge on Sept 7, 2007 18:22:23 GMT -9
Thanks, Greg. I appreciate that. I don't think I'd want someone to archive an active cache just to make room. Although, there would be beer involved (Scobey). Really great beer. So... if it's an actual container in a multi it may STILL be given the kaibosh, eh. That's not good. I was just about to hunt out a new location for the second stage. Hrm. It's a pickle. I may just go ahead and post it on the alterna-cache site. It seems the best solution.
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Post by Luna B on Sept 7, 2007 20:23:02 GMT -9
I too have felt your pain, with my very first cache. Erik was nice enough to send me an airphoto showing which way to place mine, since I could not find the other multi (dang that Scobey anyways).
Talking really nice really helps - cause they are volunteers and really want to help and he lives in Boston, so this must seem very odd to be helping us here in Alaska.
Hang in there, like I found out we have all been there.
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Post by FrostG1anT on Sept 7, 2007 22:41:23 GMT -9
Erik was nice enough ... lives in Boston, Did he move? Just curious, I haven't talked to him too much in the last month but he just got a new job...he didn't say he moved...cool, OMGCrew will have to look him up in the fall
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Post by FrostG1anT on Sept 7, 2007 22:50:59 GMT -9
If it is not the first stage or the last stage and the coords are not published as a waypoint on the cache page itself it most likely will not get dinged...but it is in the gray area then as that is sort of what the new rules were working to avoid for cache saturation, but if it is more than 200' away it will most likely not get dinged (as the admins will not know that way point exists ) besides if it is Crow T, he has a habit of publishing caches very close to one another...but it has already been submitted once, so it will need to be reworked a bit before it gets resubmitted, as it seems to go back to the admin who originally denied it. Good Luck...I keep trying to figure out where it is that the cache is too close...it is a big park, but can have a bunch of muggles. I look forward to finding it.
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Post by antoniadodge on Sept 9, 2007 16:46:33 GMT -9
So, apparently Scobey is the best person to ever live EVAR, because he just moved his cache to make room for my own. And he did it super graciously. Thank you SO MUCH Scobey. I mean it about the beer. Please let me know what your poison is and I'll make sure you have at least six shiney new bottles of it in your fridge.
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Post by omgcrew on Sept 9, 2007 17:36:54 GMT -9
He likes Alaskan IPA and he said to bring it by my place.
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Post by oleruns on Sept 9, 2007 19:06:14 GMT -9
Why did it have to be a Scobey cache? That doesn't help the FTFrs guess what side of town your new cache is going to be on. ... oh wait.... I think I know where
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Post by oleruns on Sept 9, 2007 19:37:24 GMT -9
Sent an email to the owner with my guess for the coords. I wasn't sure if it would be cool to post them here. I have to see how close I would get .
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Post by antoniadodge on Sept 11, 2007 9:07:14 GMT -9
I made Dan drive by John's Park this morning on the way to work to see if anyone was already on the hunt. Sure enough, there was a car parked and a GPS in the hand of someone entering the park. Turns out it was LBK. It gave me warm fuzzies for some reason. My apologies for the difficulties of opening the top. Apparently the top is a little sticky, and I apologize for that, too. But there's something special about a first cache placement, even if it isn't perfect in the execution. Thanks again, Scobey. I owe you one.
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Post by ladybugkids on Sept 11, 2007 13:49:20 GMT -9
The problems with the lid were more my problem. Kind of like when I reach for a cold one thinking it's a twist off when it's not.
You should have stopped to say "hi!" I wasn't in that big of a hurry.
After more than 60 hides, it's still tough to wait for a new cache to be published and it's fun to watch the first logs stream in.
Congratulations!
And thanks for giving back!
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Post by antoniadodge on Sept 11, 2007 14:42:01 GMT -9
You should have stopped to say "hi!" I wasn't in that big of a hurry. I was, tho. I made Dan late for work this morning going "the long way." Thanks for the nice words for the n00b. Like a bear with a taste for human flesh, I'm now going to have to be shot to be stopped.
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Post by Luna B on Sept 11, 2007 15:52:36 GMT -9
on my first one - I had to move it then I forgot to put the log book in and the sheet about geocaching then, I took so many readings that I put the wrong one in, it was across the road, and who was FTF and pointed it out? you guessed it Scobey!
congrats on your first one, with many more to come.
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