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Post by omgcrew on Nov 22, 2006 13:30:30 GMT -9
What is the procedure if there is one for replacing a missing cache that the owner is no longer maintaining? I would like to replace the Pamela Joy Park Cache (GCVRK0). The owner has not logged in since 6-11-06.
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Post by Forum Admin on Nov 22, 2006 13:51:35 GMT -9
What is the procedure if there is one for replacing a missing cache that the owner is no longer maintaining? I would like to replace the Pamela Joy Park Cache (GCVRK0). The owner has not logged in since 6-11-06. If the owner will agree with an adoption, it is easy. If the owner doesn't agree or doesn't answer emails, then it should be archived and you can placce a new one. See cg.com procedure. Send the owner a link to this page and hope he/she responds.
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Post by oleruns on Nov 22, 2006 14:58:30 GMT -9
I have gone out and placed a new cache where one was missing that way you can log a "fined" (three times) I have also adopted one "Gambling man" If you watch the cache you replaced you can see if or when it needs to be fixed up. I think both ways are fine. All the ones where I put down a cache was after the cache had a bunch of DNFs and the owner would not respond to emails. You can also see how long its been since the last time they logged on to geocaching.com sometimes its been years and you know they are not into caching any longer.
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Post by ladybugkids on Nov 22, 2006 16:08:18 GMT -9
What is the procedure if there is one for replacing a missing cache that the owner is no longer maintaining? I would like to replace the Pamela Joy Park Cache (GCVRK0). The owner has not logged in since 6-11-06. If the owner will agree with an adoption, it is easy. If the owner doesn't agree or doesn't answer emails, then it should be archived and you can placce a new one. See cg.com procedure. Send the owner a link to this page and hope he/she responds. Or, send the Alaskan reviewer, Erik88l-r, a note through his profile explaining the situation. Sending Erik a note has been used several times to keep some of Alaska's oldest caches up and running. To maintain the history of the cache, the adopter of the cache can change the byline to by "<original hider>, maintained by <new owner>." "Mushroom Forest" and "Room with a View" are two Anchorage area caches that have been adopted this way. "Chena Cache" in the Interior was also adopted this way.
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Post by NorthWes on Nov 22, 2006 16:23:00 GMT -9
Hmmm - if it's ok I'll ask that cacher directly. I happen to know him... (no - it's not me!) If you do replace it may I suggest a different hide? That spot is overrun with muggles (I live a block away - GeoJoy used to be located in that spot & we had to move it eastwards quite a bit to get it back in play). Let me know if you'd like me to ask the cache owner personally (he's been overrun at work... new house... new family... has no caching life... what a sad story!)
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Post by omgcrew on Nov 22, 2006 17:43:39 GMT -9
I have a non standard decon I was tinking of putting there. If you wouldn't mind asking about it I would apreciate it. Either I could just replace it or I could adopt it he has no time. Thanks.
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Post by knappling on Nov 22, 2006 18:26:06 GMT -9
One thing that bugs me is when someone adopts a cache and doesn't credit the previous owner. Instead of by x, adopted by x, they just put by x. People should always credit the previous owner.
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Post by oleruns on Nov 22, 2006 18:52:51 GMT -9
Knappling, I have a cache that is that way in Gamblingman. Heck, I don't even remember who placed the cache. I think the name was APUstudent or something like that but I don't remember for sure. When I put in to adopt it, it was changed to my name and I never changed it to reflect the old owner. I just looked, you have not found that one! That should be an easy one for you to bag, you could ski to it. In short, can't help you on this one and credit the old owner ;D
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Post by Forum Admin on Nov 22, 2006 19:35:22 GMT -9
Knappling, I have a cache that is that way in Gamblingman. Heck, I don't even remember who placed the cache. I think the name was APUstudent or something like that but I don't remember for sure. When I put in to adopt it, it was changed to my name and I never changed it to reflect the old owner. I just looked, you have not found that one! That should be an easy one for you to bag, you could ski to it. In short, can't help you on this one and credit the old owner ;D Maybe someone who abandons a cache shouldn't be recognized. The responsible thing to do if you can't maintain it would be to eliminate the geolitter and archive.
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Post by knappling on Nov 22, 2006 20:05:13 GMT -9
I guess that's true. I think the previous owners of Equals 16 did deserve credit though.
I would go skiing in Campbell Airstrip but it is the coldest place in town!
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Post by NorthWes on Nov 22, 2006 21:40:28 GMT -9
I have a non standard decon I was tinking of putting there. If you wouldn't mind asking about it I would apreciate it. Either I could just replace it or I could adopt it he has no time. Thanks. I'll have an answer by Sunday evening... no worries.
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Post by oleruns on Nov 23, 2006 0:44:45 GMT -9
I look at it this way: I build a house and it takes me two years to complete. I can't make my payments, someone bails me out and takes over the house. Should I still have my name over the door? I don't think so, even if the house has the best location in town. Same with the geocache, you give it up, your name is gone. If the new owner wants to give you credit, that's up to him/her. I could be ethically wrong, but that's the way I feel. Scobey, you're the banker... am I wrong? My grandma died a few years ago, the house she lived in she had been in longer than I have been on this planet. The house was sold and I feel I have some sentimental claim to that house when I drive by.... but I don't. I guess my vote is on no credit to the old cache owner.
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Post by ladybugkids on Nov 23, 2006 7:42:24 GMT -9
<snip> Same with the geocache, you give it up, your name is gone. If the new owner wants to give you credit, that's up to him/her. I could be ethically wrong, but that's the way I feel. <snip> I guess my vote is on no credit to the old cache owner. I don't think there are any hard and fast rules or even guidelines for this. I think each cacher can choose a "byline" that they are comfortable with. Using "Chena Cache," Alaska's fourth oldest active cache, as an example, the original owner placed it when he was on vacation from out of state. (Groundspeak no longer approves "vacation" caches without confirmation that a local cacher will perform maintenance.) The plastic container got chewed up and a local cacher dropped him a note about maintenance. He quickly responded back indicating his continued interest in the cache. Given the "historical" nature of the cache, I think it's pretty cool that the byline is "by Cowboy Bob adopted by musher_jan." On the other hand, "Equals 16" has a more of a history of not being maintained, was actually archived at one point, brought back to life, and lives on. It is placed in roughly the same location as "Honest Engine" which was archived in September 2003. Scobey chose to keep the cache history alive, but assumed ownership with no reference to the original hiders. Yet another example is " Southbound Loco ." It lived for about six weeks before being archived in 2003. Eagle618 placed a new cache called "SNO-BLO" in April 2006 with a new name. Given that the location was cacheless for about 2.5 years, that makes sense. So, there are several ways of handling cache replacement. Just do what feels right for a given situation. I like the idea of keeping a cache in an interesting place alive by whatever means.
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Post by powmia on Nov 23, 2006 11:24:51 GMT -9
I will be in a situation such as this around summer 2007. I will have to either archive my 3 caches or give them up for adoption. I will no longer be available to constantly check caches after a few DNFs or to do a semi-annual maintenance check.
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Post by Forum Admin on Nov 23, 2006 12:44:49 GMT -9
I will be in a situation such as this around summer 2007. I will have to either archive my 3 caches or give them up for adoption. I will no longer be available to constantly check caches after a few DNFs or to do a semi-annual maintenance check. I am willing to babysit for you.
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Post by oleruns on Nov 23, 2006 22:42:01 GMT -9
POWMIA - I will be glad to check on you caches as well.
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