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Post by ladybugkids on Sept 17, 2008 7:19:25 GMT -9
Please post your ideas about what you would like to see (as well as not see) in an incorporated nonprofit GeocacheAlaska! organization. See the below post for some of the subjects that will be considered by the steering committee that was created at last night's "Geocacher's of Alaska Unite?" event.
All input is welcome...just keep it polite!
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Post by ladybugkids on Sept 17, 2008 7:20:04 GMT -9
Wow! Nearly an hour went by enjoying good food and all the great company before we even got to the agenda at last night's event. Once we got to the agenda, comments were solicited regarding formally organizing GeocacheAlaska! with a specific request for anyone to sound off for not doing so. With apparent unanimous support from those in attendance a steering committee was created to develop a proposal for the formation and incorporation of GeocacheAlaska! as a non-profit entity. Many thanks to AK-DSP, Saidbystacy, Eagle618, FrostG1anT, Momima, and Valerieseaker for volunteering for this important effort! The steering committee will research how other geocaching organizations are organized and will make recommendations regarding structure (board/officers/terms/regional inclusion, etc.), fundraising (dues/no dues/geobling sales/special event charges/etc.), committees (community outreach, training, land manager advocacy, events/social, etc.). One thing we do know is that membership can't/won't be madatory, so those who want to play the game the way they always have can keep playing it the way they want to while enjoying the benefits of the work done by the GeocacheAlaska! volunteers. Once things get started, a webpage or other means of keeping the organizing effort transparent to all Alaskan geocachers informed will be created. Once the steering committee completes its research and has a slate of recommendations, a series of events will be held to solicit input from geocachers from the different Alaskan regions. In the meantime, if you have ideas, please send them to one of the steering committee members listed above (through their geocaching.com profile) or post your thoughts in this thread. Thanks, FrostG1anT for making this event happen, thanks to NorthWes, Scobey, Oleruns, PedalPushin and AKWhodini for so much "unofficial" work with land managers over the past few years, and thanks to all those who attended tonight's event and made your voices heard! |
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Post by Broccili on Sept 17, 2008 16:32:30 GMT -9
Closed 1. Temporary chairman or president.
*FrostG1anT
Closed 2. Temporary officers.
* AK-DSP
* Saidbystacy
* Eagle618
* FrostG1anT
* Momima
* Valerieseaker
In Work 3. Preparation of constitution, mission statement, or rules.
OPEN 4. Meetings, location, schedule.
OPEN 5. Vote of constitution/charter/rules
OPEN 6. Election of permanent officers.
Positions?
* President: Leads meetings
* Vice president: Plans events
* Secretary: Records and reads minutes
* Treasurer: Handles funds
* Historian: Keeps notes
* Publicity Officer: Makes and distributes flyers, posters
* Web master: Maintains web site
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Post by Broccili on Sept 17, 2008 16:34:23 GMT -9
I would suggest...
Alaska is a big place, however, not everyone in Alaska is a GeoCacher. And all Alaskan GeoCacher's don't live in Anchorage.
With that... most GeoCacher's are techno-savvy. If we were to schedule the meetings at a stated time/date... could we do a Web Meeting to allow our GeoFriends from all over to participate?
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Post by ladybugkids on Sept 17, 2008 17:34:21 GMT -9
I would suggest... Alaska is a big place, however, not everyone in Alaska is a GeoCacher. And all Alaskan GeoCacher's don't live in Anchorage. With that... most GeoCacher's are techno-savvy. If we were to schedule the meetings at a stated time/date... could we do a Web Meeting to allow our GeoFriends from all over to participate? Yup! I've used Web Meetings at work and they work great for allowing everyone to look at documents and see online revisions as they occur. May need to set up a separate conference line since not everyone has the technology at home to run a phone conversation through their desktop/laptop. |
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Post by NorthWes on Sept 19, 2008 11:52:47 GMT -9
OPEN 6. Election of permanent officers. Positions? * President: Leads meetings * Vice president: Plans events * Secretary: Records and reads minutes * Treasurer: Handles funds * Historian: Keeps notes * Publicity Officer: Makes and distributes flyers, posters * Web master: Maintains web site Is any consideration being given to establishing a Land Manager relations committee with the head of that committee being an elected officer? Land manager relations is one of the foundational needs driving the formalization of GeocacheAlaska... Work thus far looks excellent! |
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Post by ladybugkids on Sept 23, 2008 6:25:50 GMT -9
Yes, the draft bylaws the steering committee worked on last night has an "Advocacy Committee" chair as a member of the Executive Committee. It may not necessarily be an elected office.
The steering committee (FrostG1anT, SaidbyStacy, Momima, AK-DSP, AK-DR, Valerieseaker, Eagle618, and I) met last night and hammered out a draft By-Laws document. I'll revise the document later today, forward it to the committee members to verify all comments are accuarately reflected, and then post the document on the GeocacheAlaska! website for all Alaskan geocachers to review.
The current schedule is to have the document out for review by the end of the week, to hold a Geocaching Event near the end of October for a final review of the by-laws with a target of holding elections at the Holiday Geocaching Event in December so the new officers can be installed the 1st of the new year.
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Post by NorthWes on Sept 23, 2008 10:31:36 GMT -9
The current schedule is to have the document out for review by the end of the week, to hold a Geocaching Event near the end of October for a final review of the by-laws with a target of holding elections at the Holiday Geocaching Event in December so the new officers can be installed the 1st of the new year. Wow! What expediency! Perhaps we'll elect this team to the Legislature! 'Git 'er Done' isn't as common a thing in committee work anymore... As for the election / induction timing - Any Excuse for A Party An Event!  |
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Post by ladybugkids on Sept 23, 2008 12:22:11 GMT -9
Perhaps we'll elect this team to the Legislature!    -- I certainly didn't think I was signing up for that! |
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Post by ladybugkids on Sept 28, 2008 21:18:17 GMT -9
I'm still waiting for comments on the first draft of the by-laws from one or two members of the steering committee. I need to consolidate the comments and recirculate to the group at least one more time since several more ideas came up after our inaugural meeting. Stay tuned... |
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Post by ladybugkids on Oct 12, 2008 20:18:29 GMT -9
The draft by-laws for GeocacheAlaska! are now posted on the GeocacheAlaska! website here (pdf format).Please review them in advance of the October 27 Event, "Geocache Alaska! - Ground Zero."Please comment in this thread or, if you'd rather comment anonymously, to any of the steering commitee members through their profile in this forum or on geocaching.com. The steering committee members will be happy to answer any of your questions here in this thread or at the event. An important thing for cachers to keep in mind is that those who don't want to join GeocacheAlaska! can keep playing the game they way they always have while reaping the benefits of work by GeocacheAlaska! members. The way the current draft of the bylaws are written (based on a review of several other state geocaching organizations), anyone may join GeocacheAlaska! free of charge and be kept in the loop regarding Alaskan caching issues via e-mail (so one doesn't have to keep circling back to the forums). Those who purchase (price yet to be set) a Premium Membership would be voting members and get to recoup part of their investment via discounts at GeocacheAlaska! events where a fee is charged or on GeocacheAlaska! geobling. Note, too, there are provisions for chapters. The intent of incorporating GeocacheAlaska! is to have a common voice across the entire state. Different regions of the state with a critical mass of geocachers can form a chapter under the GeocacheAlaska! umbrella organization. Many thanks to the steering committee members FrostG1anT, Momima, AK-DSP, AK-DR, Valerieseeker, Eagle618, and Saidbystacy without whom the by-laws would not have been drafted and vetted several times before "going public." Unless the process to incorporate seriously derails on October 27, it's envisioned that nominations for the Board of Directors will be accepted during November with elections taking place in December. So, it's not too early to start thinking about whether you'd like to serve on the nominations committee this year or if you'd like to sit on the Board beginning next year. I will not be at the October 27 event (business trip out of state), but I will state here that I will not accept a nomination for any Board of Directors position. I've been pulling levers and pushing buttons in the background and foreground (land manager meetings, muni meetings, gc.com approver interactions, website admin, forum admin, six coin projects) for nearly four years and I'm ready to take a break. I'll still be ready, willing and able to help with committee work, etc. |
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Post by stoweak on Oct 13, 2008 12:41:37 GMT -9
thank you to everyone involved in this endeavour to incorporate as a non-profit. In being so far away from Anchorage, please call on me to do what I can from Valdez. Luckily enough, I will be in Anchorage the week of Oct. 27th and be able to attend the meeting. I look forward to seeing everyone again.
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Post by Broccili on Oct 14, 2008 12:58:56 GMT -9
First off - thanks for all your hard work. I know how tedious it can be to setup a new group.
Cut it, print it, ship it. You guys/gals dun gud.
Discrimination - since GPS type is not listed in the article, we can shun someone with the wrong receiver, right?
Great idea on the 'chapter' concept. Seems that this will allow some of our remote Cacher's organize, unit, etc.
BoD will meet quarterly.
Chapters will meet quarterly.
Any plans to have an Annual GeAK! meeting? Rotate the location between the larger chapter epicenters?
2009 - Anchorage
2010 - Fairbanks
2011 - Juneau
2012 - Valdez
2013 - Haines
Or, however the membership starts to stack up.
Treasury:
Should there be verbiage to cover 'where' the money will be deposited? IE - an FDIC insured bank or credit union... not the Ammo Can at GC0001.
I may have overlooked it, but what does it take to approve the budget - other than submittal to the board?
Same goes for unforeseen expenses.
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Post by Broccili on Oct 14, 2008 13:05:10 GMT -9
How does one pronounce the acronym "GeAK"?
Is it, GEEK?
Sorry... couldn't resist.
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Post by FrostG1anT on Oct 14, 2008 15:18:17 GMT -9
How does one pronounce the acronym "GeAK!"? Is it, GEEK? It would be Geek  as DR-AK sounded with enthusiasm the rallying call "Go GeAK! or Go Home!" |
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Post by Valerieseaker on Oct 14, 2008 22:21:41 GMT -9
Any plans to have an Annual GeAK! meeting? Rotate the location between the larger chapter epicenters? I like that idea, although we probably would get smaller numbers coming to the more remote locations. We didn't talk about where the money would be deposited, or the budget. Would that go in the Rules and Regs rather than the by-laws? Would the board vote on the budget? |
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Post by Broccili on Oct 15, 2008 13:56:49 GMT -9
I like that idea, although we probably would get smaller numbers coming to the more remote locations. We didn't talk about where the money would be deposited, or the budget. Would that go in the Rules and Regs rather than the by-laws? Would the board vote on the budget? Rules & Regs -vs- Standards & Procedures -vs- By-Laws -vs- Constitution. I'm not real particular where it's written, I was just tossing ideas out to help protect the club from ourselves (ie the Kenai Cache Thief). The 'annual' meetings; I would think that if they are planned out far enough in the future, and maybe correspond with some sort of local 'to-do', then the travelers will come as well. Anchorage - either Iditarod or annual Kincaid CITO or King Fishin Fairbanks - Ice Festival, annual CITO, or ... Well, there you go... if there's more than one reason to travel to a meeting, folks might just travel - heck they may have been planning to go to that town anyway. |
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Post by Forum Admin on Oct 16, 2008 10:03:57 GMT -9
One addition tot he by-laws. To be a member of GeocacheAlaska, one must be a member in good standing of GC.com.
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Post by FrostG1anT on Oct 16, 2008 14:09:00 GMT -9
One addition tot he by-laws. To be a member of GeocacheAlaska, one must be a member in good standing of GC.com. We discussed this and came to the consensus that to be an officer you should be a premium member of gc.com. This will give you the ability to see all the caches everywhere and be informed. Since membership to gc.com is free and the basic membership of GeocacheAlaska! is free then that would make a basic member eligible as long as they have a gc.com account. |
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Post by Forum Admin on Oct 16, 2008 15:17:20 GMT -9
One addition tot he by-laws. To be a member of GeocacheAlaska, one must be a member in good standing of GC.com. We discussed this and came to the consensus that to be an officer you should be a premium member of gc.com. This will give you the ability to see all the caches everywhere and be informed. Since membership to gc.com is free and the basic membership of GeocacheAlaska! is free then that would make a basic member eligible as long as they have a gc.com account. But if they've been banned at GC.com?  |
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Post by tomanoble on Oct 17, 2008 22:15:52 GMT -9
I agree with the idea that officers should be required to be premium members.
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Post by Valerieseaker on Oct 20, 2008 19:45:06 GMT -9
One can be banned from gc.com? What for?
I agree, too, that officers should be premium members.
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Post by ladybugkids on Oct 20, 2008 21:27:31 GMT -9
One can be banned from gc.com? What for? Misuse of the gc.com website (database mining, nonapproved commercial uses (manufacturing and selling unapproved geobling with geocaching.com trademarked text or artwork), etc.), abusive language and personal attacks in the geocaching.com forums, proven unethical behavior such as stealing caches/geocoins/travel bugs. There are probably numerous other ways to get banned, but the above are the sure ways to get one's account locked based on what I've read in the geocaching.com forums. |
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Post by powmia on Oct 21, 2008 19:17:03 GMT -9
I believe you have a good idea and something good in the future for GOAK and the progress you have made to date. I will not be back in the area until May 2009. However, I don't think I would be an active member. I have not/don't attend any event get together type things due to problems with socialization. Maybe I would just be an inactive member and remain inconspicuous as always.
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Post by santabro on Oct 28, 2008 20:06:57 GMT -9
Well, i have thought long and hard on this GeAk organization . I will post my last comments on the subject on here for all to read. I did not want anyone to think we were stuck up by not attending the meetings for GeAk, but will say that i agree 100% with Trove Rovers log and will ad my .02 here. Anyone can start an organization and for those who want to join that is fine. We have decided not to join GeAk, as i have said before, If geo caching isn't broken then don't fix it. I know that some think we are on the verge of loosing our rights to caching in Ak, but i for one don't think so. I have been caching for years and have never had a problem of putting out caches or finding one and i have never had a problem with placing a cache. If it was private propery i would ask and explain geo-caching. Never had any problems there. As far as land mgt issues, we never had any problem there either until there was so much inquiring done about putting caches on public lands. Then a blanket permit was issued and no more problems until further inquiring was done. I for one, pay my taxes and think i should have the right to geo-cache on public lands just like bikers, hikers, picnickers, horse riders and all who use them. I have not broken any laws and always leave an area cleaner than i find it. One of these days there will probably be a law against geo-caching on public lands due to some bad eggs and trouble makers, but hopefully not in the near future. The only reason we are having problems now on public lands is there has been to much publicity about geo-caching and to much political involvement in my opinion. Like i have said before, there are thousands of acres in Alaska and we could put a geo cache every tenth of a mile and it would take forever to run out of places to put them, so i am not worried about a spot to put a cache in. We love geo-caching because we love to meet new people, get exercise, see new places that we never would see if it were not for caching and just for the fun of the game. We always keep a low footprint when we cache and we also do alot of cito when caching, shopping or what ever we are doing. We are all for keeping our parks and enviroment in good shape and hope everyone else does to, but we are not for organizations to put down any more rules than geo-caching has now or to tell you when and what to hide or go to meetings every month and pay any more dues to stay in the game. Geo cache.com has great rules and regulations and all who belong to it has a great geo family, so i see no reason to get political and put a new organization into effect that has it's own rules, regulations and dues. We bairly have time to cache now as it is. I do not like to see statements posted on the forums though such as, (Go GeAk or go home). That tells me that the organization is already started off on the wrong foot, but for those who want to join, you go for it and those of us who do not wish to join we don't need comments like Go GeAk or go home posted in the forums. We will continue caching as always and if i ever get time and the health to do it, i will be putting out some more caches for all to benifit from also. I think we all benifit from caches put out for others to find.Oh one last thing, I have found out there are more geo cachers who do not belong to organizations than those who do in most states. Washington is a state, that has quite a few cachers who do belong to a state organization. Hope i haven't ruffled any feathers out there, but i felt i needed to say this in the defense of those who just want to cache without belonging to GeAk. Thanks to all of the geocachers out there that have left a good mark on our sport and to all of those that have put on events, got permits and done so much for geocaching in the past with no money to do it with. Just from their good hearts. SantaBro and the Mrs.
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Post by ladybugkids on Oct 28, 2008 21:14:37 GMT -9
We have decided not to join GeAk, as i have said before, If geo caching isn't broken then don't fix it. I know that some think we are on the verge of loosing our rights to caching in Ak, but i for one don't think so. I don't think anyone has said geocaching is broken. There are those who have spent a fair amount of time working to make certain that geocaching does not get "broken" in Alaska, particularly in Southcentral Alaska, by land managers about to give geocachers the boot. As linked to in this and other threads, that's happened in many other states and has nearly happened here in Alaska if not for action taken by cachers. As reported in the forums and discussed with you personally at a relatively recent Flash Mob Event, it was the chief ranger of Chugach State Park who approached a cacher, not vice-versa. He was vehemently anti-caching until the cacher spoke with him and referred him to the BLM and MOA folks who gave geocachers glowing reviews. We all have those access rights on an individual basis. However, BLM, Chugach State Park (CSP), and the Municipality of Anchorage each require a permit for organized private and public "special uses" (bike races, running races, horseback riding concenssions, picnics, etc.). Geocaching is considered a special use of these very same lands, so geocachers are not being treated differently than other user groups. In fact, in many ways, geocaching gets off easier because it's an ongoing 24/7/365 activity and to date, only CSP has required a blanket permit. All other land managers have approved geocaching without additional permit or insurance requirements, unlike many of the other organized user groups are required to have.With the goodwill built with the current group of land managers, I don't see caching being outlawed as long as cachers continue to maintain the relationships. Many specific examples counter to this sentiment have been provided. Please provide factual data to back up your statement. Please read my earlier posts in this thread and the By-laws. The intent of GeocacheAlaska! is not to create more geocaching rules. GeocacheAlaska! couldn't do that even if it wanted to. No one HAS to pay dues to join...there is a free membership option. Having been at the meeting when that statement was made, I can assure everyone that the context was purely a fun rallying comment and not intended in any way, shape, or form to be disparaging toward any individual or group of people. Can you link to this data? It would be good to know for planning purposes. My feathers aren't ruffled, though I am a bit frustrated by the fact that despite best efforts by myself and others to have a transparent organizing process, answer questions as they came up, and post pertinent information in the forums and event pages, that some folks still don't understand the very basic reasons for incorporating GeocacheAlaska! and why positive proactive land manager interactions are not only nice to have, but a requirement to assure the long term viability of geocaching. Straight from the geocaching.com cache listing requirements "By submitting a cache listing, you assure us that you have adequate permission to hide your cache in the selected location...In addition, there may be local regulations already in place for certain types of parks in your region (state parks, county preserves, etc.). There are many local caching organizations that would be able to help you out with those regulations. If your area does not have a local caching organization please contact your local reviewer for information on regulations." GeocacheAlaska! will serve as the central resource for keeping track of permits and regulations to make it EASIER for cachers to determine what they need to do to place a cache in a state park, on BLM land, Creamer's Field, or other public lands. Currently, it's up to the two main Alaskan cache reviewers, erik88l-r and CrowTRobot, who are located in Georgia and Florida, respectively, to keep up with land access requirements/permits in Alaska. As for those who want to cache without joining GeocacheAlaska!, I've already posted that the existence of GeocacheAlaska! will be transparent to them, but they will reap the benefits of public lands remaining open to caching to do positive and manager relations. I do hope that more people than not opt to join GeochacheAlaska! to make it easier to communicate land use issues (such as this summer's cache exclusion zone in Far North Bicentennial Park) to local cachers quickly and efficiently. Relatively few cachers visit these forums on a regular basis (out of more than 300 members, fewer than 30 visit with any regularity) and e-mailing through the gc.com website is a very tedious process requiring looking up cachers one by one. |
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Post by saidbystacy on Oct 28, 2008 21:38:05 GMT -9
While I have been for the organization of Geocache Alaska, I have appreciated hearing what folks had to say, especially folks who weren't interested in supporting an non-profit organization of Geocache Alaska. And I have to say, seeing this from a different point of views are really important if Geocache Alaska is going to get off to a good start. While we have been trying to drum up support for the Geocache Alaska non-profit organization, especially here in the forums (it is GeocacheAlaska.org after all ), by no means should anyone feel they are forced to join. The intention of Geocache Alaska as a non-profit organization is for the benefit of ALL geocachers in the great state of Alaska - whether they join or not. By making Geocache Alaska a formal non-profit, we are able to place the burden of responsibility on the non-profit rather than on individual geocachers regarding the preservation of our current ability to enjoy Alaska's parks and other managed areas and hopefully broaden our ability to enjoy caching in Alaska. This is especially important as individual cachers move, possibly lose interest and let their accounts go inactive, or whatever other reasons a cacher, who had previously gone out of their way to do things for the benefit all cachers, to fall off the grid. Having an organization that is accountable for things like permits and maintaining good relationships with the state's many land managers, would alleviete that sort of uncertainty. There is no desire to create any additional rules or place any additional restrictions on geocaching in Alaska. Geocaching.Com covers all the bases in that respect. It is not Geocache Alaska's intention or desire to "police" geocachers or the way people geocache in Alaska. Cachers are responsible for their own conduct while geocaching and respobsible for their own caches per Geocaching.Com's user agreement. The bylaws are a required document of an organization seeking non-profit status and are for the government and accountability of its members and officers. I would like to say again that I have definately appreciated everyone's comments and concerns regarding the organization of Geocache Alaska! I believe by listening, we are better able to understand a point of view we may not have been able to see before. By taking everyone's commentary under consideration, it can only make Geocache Alaska a better organization in the long run. I know not everyone agrees on this organization, but it is my hope I have clarified some things for folks and to let all know that your thoughts and opinions are respected and valued. |
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Post by FrostG1anT on Oct 29, 2008 5:49:26 GMT -9
Monday evening’s meeting went quite well and a hearty thank you to all those who attended. Going into the meeting there were many who had questions and concerns and I hope we were able to address them. The primary reason for incorporating GeocacheAlaska! is to further promote and strengthen relationships with land managers throughout the State of Alaska and a unified geocaching front for the betterment of all geocachers whether they choose to be a member or not. There is no intention of “policing” geocaching in any way or adding rules or regulations to the game. Groundspeak has laid out the rules to the game and as they are the creators, controllers and overall authority on the game they are who makes and enforces any rules. We all as players of the game belong to Groundspeak and agree to the rules of the game. GeocacheAlaska! Is not intended to and can in no way add any rules or regulations to the game as only Groundspeak controls the game.
In moving forward with organizing GeAK! Several nominations were made at Monday’s meeting for potential officers. Nominations for officers will be open until midnight on November 30, 2008. If you are interested in being a part and would like to be involved feel free to nominate yourself or have someone nominate you for any of the Board positions. An election will take place online beginning December1, 2008 and will be open until the evening of the Christmas/Holiday event. It is our goal to have the Board announced at the Christmas/Holiday event. The time and date of the event are yet to be decided but should be sometime the first week of December.
Nominations so far include:
Member at large:
Valerieseeker
AKBeauty
DR-AK
President:
FrostG1anT
Vice President:
SaidbyStacy
Secretary:
Eagle618
Tinman4X
Treasurer:
StoweAK
Webmaster:
Scobey
Again thank you to all who came out on Monday. It was good to hear everyone’s opinions and understand any concerns people may have.
We will have another meeting/event soon and I welcome everyone to attend and take part in the social interaction and friendly discussion as we continue with the process of organizing.
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Post by Broccili on Oct 29, 2008 6:39:24 GMT -9
My simple understanding of the reason for organizing is this:
Pre-GeAK!
A handful of Alaska's GeoCacher's have taken their time to talk with park managers, state officials, etc... for reasons such as: land use permits, answering questions, etc...
Post GeAK!
A handful of Alaska's GeoCacher's will be appointed by some other GeoCacher's to take the time to talk with park managers, state officials, etc... for reasons such as: land use permits, answering questions, etc...
What's the difference?
One is a 'guy or gal' representing a community alone (alone, without your input). Possibly spending some personal cash if a permit is needed.
The other is a non-profit organization asking for 'things' or clarifying questions, acting on the organizations behalf. Possibly spending some organized funds for permits, as needed and approved.
Why join GeAK!? So you can elect who, or be elected, to represent GeoCachers to the muggles of Alaska.
In today's day and age - those who organize early seem to have better luck securing their needs, desires, etc.
That's my opinion of why GeAK! is being created.
A collective voice.
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Post by ladybugkids on Oct 31, 2008 5:30:35 GMT -9
Great news!
Good to see nominees from Anchorage, the Valley and Valdez.
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-- I certainly didn't think I was signing up for that! 
