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Post by NeverSummer on Apr 4, 2013 14:36:11 GMT -9
Islands and Ocean is out as an option for the Homer end of the event. We'll have to look at other spots instead.
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Post by ladybugkids on Apr 4, 2013 15:02:15 GMT -9
So, what we need to do is somehow link in those of us who will be traveling the whole CITO series from Homer all the way up into your overall "party" theme. We'll be a couple days without shower or shave, so it might not be too difficult. And we need some visual themes for the 4 CITO and 1 flash mob event listing. Any ideas? May be looking kinda slimy by the end, eh? I hope not too bad, or they'll get CITO'd.
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Post by SSO JOAT on Apr 4, 2013 22:24:25 GMT -9
Islands and Ocean is out as an option for the Homer end of the event. We'll have to look at other spots instead. This is odd. So what exactly is "out"? They don't want us cleaning the beach, or were you just asking about the area around the facility? I suspect we can clean any beach we want, as they are public ROW below mean high tide line (though all the trash is above that line). What about the west side of the spit, south of the boardwalk businesses? Maybe we can do the Friday night campout at that site and then do the CITO from LandsEnd around the west side and as far north as time allows? One point to note is that the peak high tide on May 18 is going to be around 8:53am, so our 9-11 timeslot is going to have the least amount of beach exposed for that day. That might help confine our activities to a linear sweep of the beach and not spreading down below high tide line to work the surf zone. That morning's high is the lower of the two peaks for the day, so we'll have ready access to anything the previous high deposited.
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Post by ladybugkids on Apr 5, 2013 6:43:34 GMT -9
The weekend of May 25 offers the best clamming tides, so the high tide of May 18 will have lowest high tide (19.6' vs 12.7') for Homer. I think that will leave a lot of the jetsam high and dry. Another high visibility place that could probably use clean-up is the viewpoint area at the top of the last hill before one drops into Homer.
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Post by NeverSummer on Apr 5, 2013 10:24:26 GMT -9
Islands and Ocean is out as an option for the Homer end of the event. We'll have to look at other spots instead. This is odd. So what exactly is "out"? They don't want us cleaning the beach, or were you just asking about the area around the facility? I suspect we can clean any beach we want, as they are public ROW below mean high tide line (though all the trash is above that line). What about the west side of the spit, south of the boardwalk businesses? Maybe we can do the Friday night campout at that site and then do the CITO from LandsEnd around the west side and as far north as time allows? One point to note is that the peak high tide on May 18 is going to be around 8:53am, so our 9-11 timeslot is going to have the least amount of beach exposed for that day. That might help confine our activities to a linear sweep of the beach and not spreading down below high tide line to work the surf zone. That morning's high is the lower of the two peaks for the day, so we'll have ready access to anything the previous high deposited. The visitor center grounds are "out" as an option. They (we) don't have property down on the beach, so that is still an option. I was trying to work on having another agency partnership for the site as an outreach effort for GeocacheAlaska!, but with all of the other cleanups happening in Homer around this time, they didn't want to "host" anything. Homer's big cleanup week starts April 29, and goes through May 4th. We'll see how much trash we can find around town after that... (badday) The Firefly and I hadn't buttoned down specifics for beach spots to clean up, but we're meeting again on Monday and can come up with some ideas.
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Post by TheFirefly on Apr 6, 2013 20:13:48 GMT -9
HOBO CITO is after Shorebird Fest, there will be more trash, sadly. Does CACS have any beach pickups planned around then? I know that we worked with them in conjunction with another group to pick up trash along the beach at the Anchor Point State park area a year or two ago. They do it a couple times of year in various locations, and record how much and what type of trash is picked up. It was part of an ongoing beach cleanup effort. If we camped at Seaside Farms, there is beach access there. I'm not sure how much trash accumulates, but I could talk to Mossy about it and see if she's interested. Or we could do the harbor instead of doing it for Int'l CITO day. We may get more people and make a bigger splash there. Or what about doing the fishing lagoon? (Not sure what days are the kids fishing days, should check that first.)
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Post by TheFirefly on Apr 6, 2013 20:14:53 GMT -9
Are we specifically targeting the beach areas?
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Post by SSO JOAT on Apr 6, 2013 22:22:22 GMT -9
From my perspective, you should just target an area that is or has been geocacher friendly (if possible). In addition to environmental stewardship, CITO should also be about giving back to those who let us play. Beaches or parks are fine. Just as long as the area is small enough that a small group can make a big dent in 2 hours time.
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Post by NeverSummer on Apr 8, 2013 13:42:11 GMT -9
The Firefly and I met today to discuss. We are going to look into partnering with the City of Homer. The plan will be to get Karen Hornaday municipal campground possible reserved for our group, and the park used for cleanup. The backup plan will be the Homer harbor.
We've got a pretty solid plan for the flashmob/weekend event launch to be held at Starvin' Marvin's pizza at the base of the Homer spit. They have a nice patio for the flashmob, and plenty of seating for a group dinner if we so choose.
Cleanup in Homer would be the morning of Saturday, the 18th at one of the locations we mentioned above.
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Post by NeverSummer on Apr 8, 2013 14:01:06 GMT -9
Some questions came up during our meeting: Where are our CITO events going to be, and when? Our understanding is that it would be: Friday, May 17: 6/7pm(?): Flashmob/Dinner EVENT @starvin' Marvin's Pizza. 8/9pm(?): Possible s'mores EVENT at the mass campground, or on the beach. Later evening, to catch latecomers. Saturday, May 18: 9am-11am CITO EVENT Homer 11am-2pm Travel to Soldotna (includes time for lunch, travel, occasional geocaching on the way up the road) 2pm-4pm CITO EVENT Soldotna Parks 4pm-6pm Travel to Hidden Lake Campground (includes travel time, grocery/beer stop, geocaching on the way to camp) 7/8pm(?) Latecomer's s'mores EVENT at campground Sunday, May 19: 9am-11am Pack up and CITO EVENT, Hidden Lake campground 11am-2pm travel to Girdwood (includes travel time, geocaching along the way to Girdwood) 2pm CITO EVENT Girdwood I know that's not quite the timing listed in Joat's post... Synopsis of the Hobo-CITO weekend of May 17-19, 2013 But, this allows travel and caching time. It makes the arrival for the Adopt-a-highway CITO to be a little tougher to get to "on time" if it is at 1pm. Thoughts?
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Post by NeverSummer on Apr 8, 2013 14:02:33 GMT -9
Also, we'll want to allow extra travel time for the start of the good ol' RVs on the road clogs and jams...
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Post by TheFirefly on Apr 8, 2013 14:05:31 GMT -9
What he said. (And Joel - I looked at the schedule again. Hidden Lake = Cooper Landing. It all makes so much more sense now! )
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Post by TheFirefly on Apr 8, 2013 14:07:05 GMT -9
My previous post makes more sense if it follows NeverSummer's first post at the top of the page, rather than after the RV post...
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Post by NeverSummer on Apr 8, 2013 14:40:25 GMT -9
(giggle)
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Post by NeverSummer on Apr 8, 2013 15:53:29 GMT -9
Karen Hornaday Park is a go for both camping and CITO. Angie with the City of Homer is excited to get the extra help around there. She thinks we'll have no problem tracking down more trash than is taken out during the citywide cleanup. Sweeeeeeeet.
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Post by SSO JOAT on Apr 8, 2013 19:46:47 GMT -9
Good stuff folks. Sounds like we have all 4 CITO sites pretty much nailed down. Will get to work on making a listing template that we'll use for all 4 CITO events so they have the same style and theme.
The times are certainly flexible. The 2pm Girdwood CITO on a Sunday will be the latest start for one of those, so that will be interesting to see how it works out. I think it will be fine.
I see you've added to more flash mob events to the list. I'm not convinced those are neccessary, but certainly game for the added formalities if ya'll are.
As to the event listings... I can form up 4 CITO listings under the GCAK account if I am provided with coordinates for the Homer site (I have coords for the other 3 already). Then we can adopt three of the listings out to those who will be primary hosts at the CITO sites.
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Post by NeverSummer on Apr 9, 2013 12:57:59 GMT -9
Good stuff folks. Sounds like we have all 4 CITO sites pretty much nailed down. Will get to work on making a listing template that we'll use for all 4 CITO events so they have the same style and theme. The times are certainly flexible. The 2pm Girdwood CITO on a Sunday will be the latest start for one of those, so that will be interesting to see how it works out. I think it will be fine. I see you've added to more flash mob events to the list. I'm not convinced those are neccessary, but certainly game for the added formalities if ya'll are. As to the event listings... I can form up 4 CITO listings under the GCAK account if I am provided with coordinates for the Homer site (I have coords for the other 3 already). Then we can adopt three of the listings out to those who will be primary hosts at the CITO sites. I like the idea of having multiple events for the weekend. That way it can focus on the fun that we'll be having, and give an opportunity for others to join in at any time when they can for some fun with us. Not to hijack, but I see no need to call them "Flashmobs", as we'll be hanging out for more than 5 minutes. They can be true events apart from the CITO events, as a way to bring more folks in over the course of the weekend. Each Hobo encampment should have some kind of social gathering...since we'll all be together anyhow! I can help coordinate (likely meaning I will "host") the Hobo encampment s'mores social events.
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Post by NeverSummer on Apr 9, 2013 13:01:29 GMT -9
The times are certainly flexible. The 2pm Girdwood CITO on a Sunday will be the latest start for one of those, so that will be interesting to see how it works out. I think it will be fine. I just wonder about timing. It can take 2+ hours to get from Hidden Lake to Girdwood, without stops or accounting for RV traffic. I figured the outline I have above allows for some extra time to cache and such. (I know I haven't picked up all of the caches from Cooper Landing to Girdwood!) (shy) Either that, or we leave Hidden Lake earlier? We'll need to adjust logistics to allow for slow travel, etc. Hobos don't rush too much to get back home!
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Post by TheFirefly on Apr 9, 2013 20:26:34 GMT -9
Scott - I'll get you coordinates for the flash mob kickoff tomorrow or Thursday.
Joel - do you want me to grab coords for Karen Hornaday while I'm at it, or do you want to get those? (My girls never turn down a chance to go to the playground, LOL!)
I think the kickoff event should be a flash mob. I envision all of us mobbing the lighthouse decked out with Geocaching and/or HOBO bling, then dispersing to our cars to dispense with paraphernalia (and possibly grabbing a couple of the caches that are nearby if you haven't already), and then slowly sauntering to the pizza joint.
I can see how the s'mores activities wouldn't be flash mobs. I don't know that I'd make them separate events, as that might get to be too many separate events for folks to keep track of. On the flip side, I do see that making them separate events means we may get some folks that want to come visit, but don't want to camp.
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Post by SSO JOAT on Apr 9, 2013 22:04:39 GMT -9
RV traffic won't be a problem the week prior to Memorial day. Straight drive from Hidden Lake to Girdwood would be on order of 1-1/2 hours at speed limit. My thought was more along the lines of going from Hidden Lake to the Cooper Landing transfer facility to drop off trash, and then moving with purpose to Girdwood. An early arrival in that area could leave time to hit up several caches in the immediate area. Then you have the entire trip back to search for caches along the road.
But, if ya'll want to cushion the trip out to 3 hours and burn the excess with some cache stops along the way, I think that will be fine.
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Post by ladybugkids on Apr 10, 2013 7:49:47 GMT -9
Based on my experiences with getting groups moving in the right direction, rest room stops, ice cream stop at the Cooper Landing Grocery and/or Summit Lake, refueling (someone always has to, even though my rig's range is easily ANC-Soldotna-ANC with many miles to spare), swan viewing stop at Tern Lake, cache maintenance stop at Turnagain Pass and other locations, etc., I think it is reasonable to add 50-100% to the transit time. I know that will be the case if any of my family opts to play hobo for the weekend.
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Post by NeverSummer on Apr 10, 2013 8:08:07 GMT -9
I was also looking at what google maps says, and the time Hidden Lake to Girdwood was right about 2 hours. (I don't recall what it said, specifically) So, that is where I was getting the times and estimates. I think a single car moving from place to place could achieve a quick ET with each hop, but with the things I and LBK mention, we should build in some extra time with the logistics.
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Post by SSO JOAT on Apr 10, 2013 10:49:33 GMT -9
I'm game with the 3hr window. Afternoon starting times at 2pm. Rolling with it.
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Post by NeverSummer on Apr 10, 2013 12:54:58 GMT -9
Cathy, If you can get coords, that would be great!
Scott: Once we get some templates up and running for the CITO portion, I can help with getting something written up for the s'mores n beer social time events at the campsites. We'll just need to get coords for each camp site somehow.
(I wish I would have thought of stopping in at Hidden Lake campground on my way to and from ANC last weekend!)
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Post by TheFirefly on Apr 10, 2013 17:03:38 GMT -9
Ice cream stop at Cooper Landing grocery?? Why did I not know about this?? Cathy, If you can get coords, that would be great! I'm on it!
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Post by NorthWes on Apr 10, 2013 20:05:51 GMT -9
Ice cream stop at Cooper Landing grocery?? Why did I not know about this?? Cathy, If you can get coords, that would be great! I'm on it! Oh yes... Famous stop for we thru-hikers on the Resurrection trail!
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Post by NeverSummer on Apr 16, 2013 13:09:31 GMT -9
We're bumping up against 30 days until the events... -Do we have a template for the CITO events/Campfire events? -Do we have coords for the Soldotna, Hidden Lake, Girdwood events? (Homer is good to go, thanks to The Firefly!)
The sooner we can get word out, the more folks we can guilt into coming!
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Post by SSO JOAT on Apr 16, 2013 21:58:34 GMT -9
Yes, we have all coords and the pages are in development for the CITO listings.
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Post by NeverSummer on Apr 17, 2013 14:21:59 GMT -9
Yes, we have all coords and the pages are in development for the CITO listings. Excellent! When it's ready, let me know. I can get things started for the Campfire event listings.
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Post by TheFirefly on Apr 18, 2013 21:11:30 GMT -9
I'm having trouble wrapping my mind around the fact that we are, indeed, only 30 days away. How the heck is the end of May that close?
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